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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 724

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for the 21st of august 2022

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richard sunder's coming to you from

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sydney australia and my voice is a

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little

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i was with

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ian bryce from the australian skeptics

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in

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maynard

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we were performing the mystery

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investigative science show for the

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parramatta city council the university

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of western sydney and the powerhouse

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museum

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what a wonderful day it was bending

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spoons doing water divining

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running around

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and having a lot of science fun so

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coming up at the top of the show

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maynard's report about the whole day

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and a big thank you to everybody who

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came along to see our show

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yesterday in parramatta

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how many spoons did we bend i can't

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imagine we gave away lots of ten sided

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die dice dice

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which uh everybody loved and generally

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had a lot of fun

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following that it's the

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report i promised for last week about

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the mind body spirit festival held here

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some months ago as i write in the

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article what is the sweep of time

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20 years of visiting this

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festival of nonsense

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taught me

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then we have the book of tim with tim

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mendum this week tim looks at micro

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nations those tiny little nations and

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principalities that pop up from time to

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time

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then to round off the show it's the

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trove segment this week we look at the

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strange min min light of outback

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queensland the mysterious hovering light

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that has been seen on and off for

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decades or even for centuries

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and the round off the show

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another poem by our late great mate jim

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wilshere and this week's poem is all

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the min min light

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and speaking of jim wilshere's poems

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i've decided to put on youtube

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most of the videos that jim and i shot

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some 15 16 years ago for a dvd we made

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at the time and i sort of figure well

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why not let everybody know around the

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world enjoy

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jim's poetry and if you go to the

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skepticzone.tv

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and scroll down this week's show notes

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on the right-hand side you'll see a

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little link a little picture of jim and

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a link to all jim's poems so you can see

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jim reading out the poems

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also i will mention that this thursday

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night here in sydney and sydney skeptics

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and the pub our special guest is none

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other than skeptic zone reporter adrian

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hill who's going to be talking about

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ghosts for more information check aust

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aust skeptics meetup

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and no matter where you are around the

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world you can join in and hear

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adrian hill talk about ghosts

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and speaking of skeptics in the pub the

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gold coast skeptics now friends of the

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gold coast skeptics are also having a

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skeptics in the pub

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and this will be

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tuesday this will be tuesday this week

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tuesday the 23rd of august

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from 7 30 p.m to 9 00 pm

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and their guest will be associate

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professor tim nelson griffith university

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talking about how we can create a just

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transition to renewable energy in

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find out more by visiting

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now just thinking about yesterday as

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you'll hear me night interviews lots of

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people who were there

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isn't science wonderful isn't it

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incredibly interesting we can learn

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about space place interconnections

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and have some nice yummy spices which i

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love while i do that and think about

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science i hope you enjoy

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the skeptic zone

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here's maynard's spooky action

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well it's science week and today is in

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fact science day for the big crew of the

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skeptic zone we are traveling to

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parramatta parramatta which is there

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it's not moving it's not a moving target

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there is an upside to the day in that

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there will be a family day but wait

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there still is an upside to the day in

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that there'll be lots of mucking around

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with science for making a mess and i may

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even meet paul mccartney as part of the

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gluten-free plant-based band that's

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playing there today i'm looking forward

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to introducing them but the man who's

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driving us now in the skeptic zone

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mystery mobile richard saunders may not

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it's been a while since we've been in

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the skeptic zone mystery mobile it's

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today it's sort of the mystery

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investigators mystery uh

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mobile because we're going to be with

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our friend ian bryce we're going to be

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uh water divining tests and we're going

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to be performing hang on a second where

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am i look you oh oh look that's right

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this is the uh this is where they've

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redeveloped an area we're driving

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through here one of those roads

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roads new south wales um uh you want to

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get balmain don't you yeah hang on we'll

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have to look we're just going to do a

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bit of stuff with hawking radiation

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regarding the hawking radiation in the

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bowel main interchange and it is a bit

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of a mess here it does look a bit like a

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black hole it it it is a black hole it's

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com it's completely re-changed that

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changed the construction work anyway

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as i was saying we're going to be doing

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the public today at parramatta the

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parramatta council having a science day

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and we've been booked to perform so i've

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got lots of spoons to bend as i said

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before we'll be doing uh water divining

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the power balance test oh yeah now

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what's that called it's a field with

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applied kinesiology applied kinesiology

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the question what what is science to you

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what do you think science is for me

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science is getting up in the morning

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it's not a very high bar it has to clear

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bryce i believe uh i believe we're

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straight to the courthouse hotel where

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he's been since nine o'clock last night

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um studying studying all right here we

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well here we are palmetto square right

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now where it all will be happening for

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the family science day richard's got his

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mystery investigators coat on yes i've

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blue as a goose jacket on and your shoes

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they're very good

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so that we've got various science

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entertainers mana doing our water

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sets today i'm introducing them as well

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as some street signs we're just going to

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that's going to be happening on stage

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lost children um i i was lost in the

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me really but i won't tell them that

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story and over here we've got the

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physics education that's physics with an

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f which means it's fun and who we got

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here may not hear from the uh skeptic

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zone podcast hey man how you doing mate

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this is ben hey what are you up to today

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you're all set up here what are you

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hoping to teach kids oh hang on what i'm

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asking about is what does science mean

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to you by the way today it's a personal

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thing sure it's exploring the world and

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seeing how it works okay have you got a

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favorite branch of science you like i

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guess it's physics

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how could you tell i'm just taking a

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guess but there's lots of branches that

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there's quantum physics in which people

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about that was green what's his name

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gonna have a bit of a blast so it's

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nitrogen experiments too get out and the

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kids and how but that's that's scary

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stuff it is it's cold but you know what

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your tea or your hot coffee is actually

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more dangerous because it'll touch you

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and it'll burn you liquid nitrogen will

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boil over the top of you and it will

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barely touch you ah right it's only if

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you put your hand on it for a while and

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your skin sticks to it yeah then you

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learn about cold yeah very quickly there

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and uh here hello

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hello and what's your favor i guess

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you're a physics fan too i definitely am

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but my favorite branch in science is

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neuroscience brains oh wow favorite type

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no i think that brains are so different

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compared to hearts i mean i could also

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be wrong but i think there's more

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difference between brains between people

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so i reckon neurosurgeons are the ones

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who might rule the hospital but what's

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going to be your favorite thing you're

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going to play with the kids today i

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think it's going to be the balancing

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balancing birds and you can get them to

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rest it on their nose and they love it

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and i love doing all my finger and just

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showing them all the things you can

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balance the beds on so i think i'm super

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excited for that one what is science to

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you too by the way i didn't science to

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me is being curious and also not being

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afraid of failure i think that growing

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up i just was always so curious about

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everything so it's just a safe place for

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everybody like everyone anybody could do

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science and um failure isn't something

279
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that's looked down upon in science

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because it's a way to move forward so

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it's exciting thank you thank you

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look as i'm hosting here i see there's a

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very large what i first thought was

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a solar canoe but i thought no it's

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actually a a solar powered car which has

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been in some sort of contest by the look

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of it who've we got here yeah so i'm

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jonathan i'm from the western sydney

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solar team and so here we have unlimited

290
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3.0 the car we built here for 2019 for

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the world solar challenge and how'd you

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go

293
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uh this car unfortunately didn't finish

294
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like many on that race because of wild

295
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weather

296
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all right so it was flooded out or what

297
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happened 100 kilometer an hour

298
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crosswinds right okay yes

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first thing i noticed is i was listening

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about um

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photo electric cells on regular cars and

302
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they were putting them onto a volkswagen

303
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golf which hasn't got a completely flat

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roof which is kind of what you've had

305
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and they lost about 30 efficiency

306
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initially by doing that is that part of

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the problem in that a curved roof can be

308
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a problem for solar cells

309
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yeah well if you're curving away from

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where the sun's pointing obviously

311
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you're going to get less power but we

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specifically design ours to maximize the

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sun throughout the day

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oh okay what what by the by where you

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drive or by the way the cells are

316
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designed oh just the shape of the car we

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aim to have as flat of a surface as we

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can wow so did anyone actually finish it

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with a 100 kilometers crosswinds

320
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who won it uh the belgian team agoria

321
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won that event well you don't get many

322
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hundred kilometer winds in belgium well

323
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not in belgium but this is through the

324
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middle of australia where you do tend to

325
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they wouldn't have thought of that i

326
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would have thought you know yeah yeah so

327
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there were quite a few teams that had

328
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unfortunate accidents with the win a

329
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couple teams caught fire so all in all

330
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we didn't do too bad yes well i think

331
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fire would be kind of worse than getting

332
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blown off the road there look

333
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congratulations and when will the new

334
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one be on the road the new prototype

335
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you're working on well the next event is

336
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in october 2023 so hopefully somewhat

337
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before then i hope you don't get the

338
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crosswinds or the wind is in the right

339
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direction yeah we'll hope for the best

340
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thank you very much look i'm here with

341
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the people from street signs who are all

342
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the way from uh sciencey bris vegas

343
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yeah mate we're uh we jumped on plane

344
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yesterday headed down to sydney science

345
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festival that's pretty exciting there's

346
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a band on the stage at the moment the

347
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vegetable plot they are warming up a

348
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storm they definitely are mate there's

349
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kids dancing there's parents bopping

350
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there's all sorts cheering mates so

351
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we're up next so really looking forward

352
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to 11 o'clock for sure yeah right now

353
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you're gonna get kids on stage what are

354
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you gonna make them do on stage you're

355
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gonna embarrass them so that's a

356
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lifelong experience they'll remember in

357
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a kind of a goodish way oh we might we

358
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might there's some embarrassing parts

359
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but hey they'll leave that stage with a

360
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huge smile on their face so that's what

361
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we're all about i've been asking

362
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everybody what does science mean to you

363
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yes it's science week yeah it's a good

364
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question science to me i reckon uh

365
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science is really important because when

366
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we learn science we learn about the

367
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world we learn about how stuff works and

368
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why things happen so it's one of those

369
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things that you know every single person

370
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can relate to whether they're five years

371
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old or 85 years old we want to be

372
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learning about the world around us all

373
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the time so science is pretty bloody

374
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important right what science mean i mean

375
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do you i guess with what you do you'd be

376
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a physics person because it's all bangs

377
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flashy

378
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well i'm actually a biologist by trade

379
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but i'm one of those yes but hey what's

380
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biology done for us lately biology for

381
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us lately well what hasn't it done

382
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it's an ongoing thing it's probably the

383
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thing that people tend to overlook

384
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because it can be less glamorous unless

385
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it's all pharmacy or you're

386
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solving a plague or something yeah no

387
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that is very true but i mean i think

388
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biology has its part in chemistry as

389
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well so i mean it goes through all of

390
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the different physics you fall down in

391
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physics there's biology involved there

392
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no for sure for sure yeah but um with

393
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street science we all get to do a bit of

394
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chemistry and physics as well so you

395
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:05,839
know we get the best of all the worlds

396
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of science so yeah and what does science

397
00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,320
mean to you your big biology venue well

398
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science to me i mean like steve said

399
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science is all around us but science is

400
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also the answer to a lot of our problems

401
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that we have you know if there's an

402
00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:19,920
issue in the world then we're looking to

403
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,839
science to try and fix that

404
00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:23,360
well a lot of people be asking why after

405
00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:24,959
you make a mess on stage so good luck

406
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:30,790
well i'm here oh as you can hear the

407
00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:32,000
kids are going absolutely nuts in the

408
00:14:35,269 --> 00:14:33,760
background for street science that is on

409
00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:35,279
stage but just to the side of street

410
00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:37,760
science uh richard saunders has a a

411
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whole bunch of containers some water but

412
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he does have a damn good sign there

413
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richard mr investigators we've done

414
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about

415
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five

416
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about what's going on over there about

417
00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:50,560
five shows so far and and it's only just

418
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um over an hour

419
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:53,920
we're going to do a couple more than

420
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:55,360
have a little break but we've had lots

421
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:57,040
of people bending spoons and water

422
00:15:00,710 --> 00:14:58,639
divining and i'm looking at these

423
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:00,720
optical illusions over there

424
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:02,880
because as i know the kids ask the

425
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:04,320
darnest questions although they don't

426
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:06,639
usually say darnists but while anybody

427
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,399
any wacky questions come your way yet

428
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,639
why are you that mr give me yeah yeah

429
00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,399
the the question i'm getting a lot today

430
00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:14,880
is how did you bend the spoon

431
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:16,720
yeah everyone wants to know

432
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:19,519
and it's like it's like no one wants to

433
00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:21,040
be happy with the magic trick anymore

434
00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:22,399
everyone's got to know how it's done or

435
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,920
else it's

436
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:25,519
yeah but now we're having a great day

437
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:27,120
and and we've got a little many more

438
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:29,519
shows to do

439
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:32,240
and we're backed up by the freshest

440
00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:35,120
filthiest rozzy ass band in town

441
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:37,180
everybody

442
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:44,959
[Music]

443
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:46,720
well i'm here in the well i like to call

444
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:48,160
it the bush science tent we've got the

445
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:49,680
bat science tents on the other side

446
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:51,279
we've got the bush science tent here

447
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:52,639
who've we got here

448
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:55,680
hi i'm lisa kolaris hello lisa and did

449
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:58,399
you get a degree in bush science uh my

450
00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:00,959
degree's in environmental science ah

451
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,399
well you know you know all about what's

452
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,240
going on in the parramatta area what's

453
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:06,399
the biggest uh problem we have with

454
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:07,680
any sort of

455
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:10,240
introduced species uh both um both

456
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,480
living and plants

457
00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:14,560
um i would say that probably people

458
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:17,600
dumping their uh bush sorry their garden

459
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:20,639
waste into our native areas is probably

460
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:21,920
definitely an issue that we need to

461
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,800
address

462
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:24,160
and it's kind of hard to stop unless you

463
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,440
put up a lot of cameras in that and

464
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,519
you've got such a large area to cover uh

465
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:29,040
what sort of thing would be the most

466
00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:31,600
dangerous or toxic thing they could dump

467
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,040
oh well we get lots of um non-plant

468
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:37,600
materials such as asbestos investors

469
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:39,040
it's a bad one

470
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:40,320
but yeah probably the lawnmower

471
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,600
clippings and the

472
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:43,279
cut garden waste that people have from

473
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,759
their gardens lots of introduced species

474
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,839
get into our bushlands that way all

475
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:49,440
right and i've been asking people what

476
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,040
what is what is science to them what the

477
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:53,519
science what is science for you being

478
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,680
you know an ecologist

479
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,079
uh science for me helps me look at the

480
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,720
world with fresh eyes um everything you

481
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:02,800
learn it helps you look at the world in

482
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,880
a different way and helps you understand

483
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,959
what's happening around you

484
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,160
and if people want to see what you guys

485
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:10,079
are up to online with parramatta bush

486
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:12,319
care where can they go to have a look

487
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,959
jump on our website the google bushcare

488
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,640
on the council website and you'll find

489
00:17:22,430 --> 00:17:18,319
out all the information there and you

490
00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,309
[Music]

491
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,870
it's the end of a wild day for science

492
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,480
here at parramatta square where it's

493
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:32,640
been the family science day richard

494
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:35,520
saunders been out there at the coal face

495
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:38,559
of science uh poking people uh with

496
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:40,960
investigation i think i need to buy some

497
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:43,600
more spoons well yeah how many spoons

498
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,400
you you did spoon bending aplenty today

499
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,160
i can't believe how many spoons we've

500
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:50,000
been today it was ridiculous but we had

501
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:51,600
about

502
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:56,000
row something like that over the course

503
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:59,039
of the day 10. i think eight nine no no

504
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,640
you know you did more you did at least

505
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,320
ten that i was at least ten all right

506
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:04,240
thank you we'll compromise

507
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,919
one kid

508
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:07,760
who demanded

509
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:10,000
he get the spoon off me the

510
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:11,440
brick and end of the spoon and he had a

511
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:12,480
look at that and asked me what his

512
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,240
composition was and

513
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:16,720
did it have actinium in it or something

514
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:18,880
and i said it's normal stainless steel

515
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:22,000
it's got iron and nickel and uh chromium

516
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,120
in it

517
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,280
and he said he looked at the

518
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:27,360
the broken part he said i have the other

519
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:33,029
so i think we have a budding scientist

520
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,120
or skeptic there so that was my favorite

521
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,120
that was fun yes i think what do they

522
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,880
call the the natural sciences or what do

523
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:40,240
they call it when you build from the

524
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,840
earth yeah get that stuff you've got to

525
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:43,120
budding one of them i can't remember a

526
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,480
thing i've been yelling all day over

527
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:46,880
drums me too it's been very loud today

528
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,470
[Music]

529
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:07,190
hi there i'm abhijeet and i host the

530
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,799
rashtrabal podcast on berationable.com

531
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,799
every couple of weeks i science the hell

532
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:14,799
out of alternative medicines health and

533
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:17,840
nutrition fads social media forwards

534
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,280
science news and lots more of course you

535
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,520
can find all of my articles podcast

536
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:25,679
episodes and lots more on

537
00:19:37,060 --> 00:19:31,830
see you there and until then

538
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:49,350
[Music]

539
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,789
now here's an item i wrote for the

540
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:52,960
latest issue of the skeptic magazine

541
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,200
which came out in june this year

542
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,200
20 years

543
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,440
of predictable surprises richard

544
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:04,080
saunders reports on the ongoing festival

545
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:05,679
of psychics

546
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,440
and pseudoscience and yes oh yes this

547
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:11,200
refers to one of my favorite topics of

548
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,400
course

549
00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:14,799
mind body spirit or mind body wallet as

550
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:22,549
[Music]

551
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,679
in late may of 2022 longtime skeptical

552
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,919
supporter darryl cahoon and i

553
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:30,880
ventured once more unto the breach

554
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,280
that is the festival of mind-body spirit

555
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,120
at sydney's international convention

556
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,400
center at darling harbour

557
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,640
after attending this event normally held

558
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,480
every six months when covert does not

559
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:44,960
shut it down for the last 20 years what

560
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,240
insights is the sweep of time given me

561
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,480
of this new age event that attracts

562
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,679
thousands

563
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,799
to list

564
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:54,720
but a few

565
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,000
point consistently about eighty percent

566
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,559
of those attending a female i make no

567
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,520
comment about this apart from it being

568
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,440
an observable fact

569
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:08,159
point about 10 of the stalls and stands

570
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,039
are for legitimate products and services

571
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,200
for example various charities food

572
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,159
merchants support groups this year there

573
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:18,400
was one for breast cancer survivors

574
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,679
jewellery bathing products and so on

575
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,480
point the psychic reading room has been

576
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:26,640
a consistent feature

577
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:30,720
this year a 30 minute reading with the

578
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,640
psychic of your choice cost around 55

579
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:35,840
point

580
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:39,440
what we could call unproven services or

581
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,039
devices come and go over the years this

582
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:45,039
includes various machines that claim to

583
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:46,000
heal

584
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:46,880
with

585
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,600
energy or frequencies

586
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,520
they normally have a

587
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:53,919
three or four year run then somehow

588
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,320
vanish only to be replaced by yet

589
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,400
another device that claims to do more or

590
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,760
less the same thing

591
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,880
point

592
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:05,280
the ubiquitous use of the words

593
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,559
quantum

594
00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:07,600
energy

595
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:08,760
frequencies

596
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:13,280
vibrations healing and wellness

597
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,159
point

598
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,320
the occasional appearance of such

599
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,520
outfits as the church of scientology the

600
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,360
catholic church and other religions or

601
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,600
cults this year i was surprised to see a

602
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:26,159
stand from the orange people or the

603
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,480
rajneesh a cult from the 1970s and 80s

604
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,960
point health products and services make

605
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,600
up the majority of stalls whether they

606
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,840
are legitimate unproven or outright

607
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,520
shonky

608
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,919
point health products and services make

609
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,000
up the majority of stalls

610
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,640
whether they are legitimate unproven or

611
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:49,600
outright chunky

612
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:52,880
point the aura camera seems to be the

613
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,480
exact same device used for decades that

614
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:59,919
is a large box device on a stand

615
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,240
by now there can be no doubt that it is

616
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,039
a nonsense and i wonder if the operators

617
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,440
justify its use just as

618
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:09,440
entertainment

619
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,320
point

620
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,240
the fact that this festival houses so

621
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,240
many stalls with people making so many

622
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,200
outrageous claims regarding health

623
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,200
i have been told everything from this

624
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,840
all that product can cure cancer to a

625
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,840
device that turns tap water into

626
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,039
sunblock

627
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,679
and the event has not yet been raided by

628
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,440
the authorities

629
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,760
continues to amaze me

630
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,640
point

631
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,240
skeptical questions are not welcome any

632
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:38,720
hint of genuine criticism is met with

633
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:49,590
one of the notable stalls we discovered

634
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,480
this time around was from the coastal

635
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,880
clarity quantum living

636
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:57,919
who were selling a device or app

637
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,880
the a o scan

638
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,120
as told to us by the representative

639
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:05,120
after asking us if we knew about nikola

640
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,240
tesla

641
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,720
and royal raymond rife

642
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,200
the system works as follows

643
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,440
it all works on frequencies

644
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,919
you record your voice for 10 seconds the

645
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,320
device analyzes the voice and picks up

646
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,240
on the four notes

647
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,240
that are most out of balance

648
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,720
and then converts this into four mp3

649
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,760
files

650
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,840
you listen to these via headphones and

651
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:30,240
this will bring you back into balance

652
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,520
yep

653
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,000
and we've heard the same sort of hogwash

654
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,159
and mind body spirit again and again and

655
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,600
again

656
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,600
what was also apparent and typical of

657
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,679
those fronting this type of stall over

658
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,760
the years is that the representatives

659
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,080
usually know next to nothing about the

660
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,080
device beyond the sales pitch from the

661
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,320
brochure they have a poor grasp on the

662
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,559
meaning of the words they use

663
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,559
frequency being the prime example and

664
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,640
have no real understanding of the

665
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,520
science which is hardly surprising as

666
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:01,600
most of these devices simply cannot work

667
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,710
[Music]

668
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,600
and

669
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,440
one more observation or maybe a

670
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,640
prediction

671
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,039
mind body spirit will be back in six

672
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,760
months the same dodgy health claims and

673
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,600
products will be on display

674
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,520
thousands will roll up and part with the

675
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,640
money

676
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,039
and the authorities will continue to

677
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,720
turn a blind third eye

678
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,200
for more reports on this event head to

679
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,279
our website and search for mind body

680
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,720
spirit oh mind body wallet audio reports

681
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:37,039
can also be found in the archives

682
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,350
and that was 20 years of predictable

683
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,960
surprises by

684
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,440
richard saunders and you can read that

685
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:49,440
for yourself when you subscribe to the

686
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,720
skeptic magazine at skeptics.com.edu

687
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:54,960
and that story appeared in volume number

688
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,559
42 number two from june

689
00:26:00,610 --> 00:25:59,600
20

690
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:00,620
22.

691
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,750
hello this is maynard did you know that

692
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:15,360
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

693
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:18,799
youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

694
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,909
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

695
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,919
with michelle biggesmar and funny

696
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:29,360
sketches with richard saunders and a

697
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:34,710
just click on the youtube links on the

698
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:50,070
[Music]

699
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,440
and now

700
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,600
a reading from the book of tim

701
00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:56,320
[Music]

702
00:27:04,549 --> 00:26:57,470
with tim mendom

703
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,950
hi my name is tim menden and i'm

704
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,360
executive officer of australian skeptics

705
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,240
and editor of our magazine the skeptic

706
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,159
and i will be reading today from the

707
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,480
pages to that magazine from an issue not

708
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,840
that long ago

709
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,120
september

710
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,559
2020

711
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,559
and this is an article called the little

712
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,760
people

713
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,279
which i wrote myself

714
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,120
this was part of a feature we had on

715
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,080
sovereign citizens and people sort of

716
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,679
generally complaining about government

717
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,279
and that sort of stuff

718
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:35,120
and this was about micronations the

719
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,399
people who have expressed their

720
00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:38,320
disenchantment with governments by

721
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:39,420
building their own

722
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,440
[Music]

723
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,200
some people might object to government

724
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,120
regulations and take to the streets to

725
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,799
protest that the rules are not relevant

726
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,840
to them

727
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,679
others take a more drastic action

728
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,760
packing their metaphorical bags and

729
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,919
setting up their own countries

730
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,520
the world is actually dotted with little

731
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,320
countries in quotes that have seceded

732
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,399
from their former parent nation

733
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,200
most of these are basically jokes

734
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,360
an apartment in kings cross sydney or a

735
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,760
caravan in norfolk in the uk

736
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,679
which is possibly the only mobile nation

737
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,960
in existence

738
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,799
others are whimsical wishful thinking

739
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,200
which governments tolerate as amusing

740
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,480
but not very serious diversions

741
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,559
most of them develop a monarchy a

742
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,720
constitution with stamps passports and

743
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,159
visas to match

744
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,720
some welcome tourists though in the case

745
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,039
of the caravan in norfolk you do need to

746
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,640
book ahead to make sure there are plenty

747
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
of cucumber sandwiches on hand

748
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,440
most don't last very long once the

749
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,440
reigning monarch gets bored or too old

750
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,919
to to bother they fade quietly into the

751
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,720
list of vanished kingdoms but there are

752
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,880
some who take it very seriously with a

753
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,799
long-standing animosity to the nation

754
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,399
they secede from

755
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,320
these have involved legal battles with

756
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,000
taxation officers

757
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,640
internal disputes and takeovers and in

758
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,520
one case an invasion by mercenaries and

759
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,679
a threat from the royal navy let's start

760
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,120
with the first one

761
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,039
and the motto of this place is from the

762
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,960
sea freedom

763
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,520
and this is sea land which lays claim to

764
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,760
a platform built in the north sea during

765
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,240
the second world war as an anti-aircraft

766
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,679
facility

767
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,360
there were several built looking like

768
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:19,200
minimal oil dwelling platforms but for

769
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,480
some reason they were built in

770
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,000
international waters

771
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,000
just the place for an illegal pirate

772
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,279
radio station in the 1960s

773
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,679
as sea land says these nations chose

774
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,000
their remote locations whether on ships

775
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,080
or platforms as quote an attempt to

776
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,240
bypass the draconian broadcasting

777
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,480
restrictions of the time which permitted

778
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,320
little more than formal broadcasting by

779
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,760
the bbc

780
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,080
the pirate stations were much loved by

781
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,000
the british public as they supplied

782
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:48,320
everything that the bbc did not at the

783
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,840
time pop music and amusing presenters

784
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,679
at the start of the dj's you here now

785
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,600
but in the bbc in those days was pretty

786
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,080
formal and pretty stuffy

787
00:30:03,669 --> 00:29:59,840
according to the lonely planet guide to

788
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,679
micronations at 450 square meters

789
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,320
or 0.1 of an acre

790
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,399
sealant is the smallest country in the

791
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,600
world

792
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,760
albeit not a recognized one

793
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:14,000
in comparison the vatican city which is

794
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,240
recognized is huge at 121 acres

795
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,240
two pirate radio station proprietors

796
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,200
paddy roy bates and ronan o'reilly

797
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,679
landed on ruff's tower gun platform in

798
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,279
1966

799
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,440
to set up a new station

800
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,919
differences emerged however and bates

801
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,240
seized the tower as his own

802
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,720
as lonely planet describes it a rally

803
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,640
supported by a small group of men

804
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,240
attempted to storm the base in mid-1967

805
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,320
bates and his crew were ready they

806
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,480
repelled the attack with guns petrol

807
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,320
bombs and according to some experts a

808
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,279
flame thrower the royal navy got wind of

809
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:53,120
it and ordered bates to surrender

810
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:54,159
possession

811
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,159
he refused and on september the 2nd 1967

812
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,720
he declared independence

813
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,559
the navy returned later and destroyed

814
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,640
the other unoccupied towers

815
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,880
making a threat as they pass sea land of

816
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,559
your next

817
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,000
it's still there

818
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,159
despite a later attempted coup by dutch

819
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,480
and german mercenaries an offer from

820
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,840
argentina to buy it during the falklands

821
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,080
war and the uk extending its territorial

822
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,640
waters to 12 kilometers thus including

823
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:23,760
sea land

824
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:27,360
extending its territorial waters to

825
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,960
match i mean that included the uk

826
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,919
bates died in 2012 and his son michael

827
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,159
is now prince of sea land though he

828
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,159
lives on the mainland and runs a fishing

829
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,600
business

830
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,960
there is an attractive website

831
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,720
sealand.gov.org

832
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,640
and you can buy various royal titles or

833
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,840
a knighthood from the online shop

834
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,960
now the second country we're going to

835
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,760
look at has the motto while i breathe i

836
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,279
hope

837
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,039
and that's the motto of what we used to

838
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,360
be called the hutt river province

839
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,279
on a slightly less dramatic note but no

840
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,919
less serious than sealant probably more

841
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,000
so in fact is hutt river province a

842
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,840
former agricultural property

843
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,080
approximately 600 kilometers northeast

844
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,240
of perth western australia

845
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,880
which makes it pretty isolated at 75

846
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,120
square kilometers it makes sea land look

847
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,360
small

848
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,080
the principality of hutt river or phr as

849
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,240
it is known to its citizens after a name

850
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,320
change in 2006

851
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:26,799
was founded by leonard casley on april

852
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,559
21 1970 declaring himself prince with

853
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,960
his wife princess shirley

854
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,440
casley who had quote carved his way in

855
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,679
the world of business farming family and

856
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,760
fighting for his king and country took

857
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,559
objection to a government wheat quota

858
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:45,120
the slightly quaint website principality

859
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,240
hyphen

860
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,159
river.com

861
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,720
says that prince leonard with his pen

862
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,880
incredible mind and loving companion

863
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,760
princess shirley and her typewriter

864
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,480
set out 50 years ago to right a wrong

865
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,240
the wrong of a government stealing a

866
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,559
person's human rights a government that

867
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,799
should be there to protect and encourage

868
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,159
the development and growth of

869
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,519
individuals

870
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,760
which then when added together becomes a

871
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,080
mighty nation

872
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,480
continuing the quote he saw the unjust

873
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,399
position governments were placing people

874
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,960
in and he fought against that certainly

875
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:21,039
out of necessity to save his family's

876
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,919
farm

877
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,320
but it was bigger than the casli family

878
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:26,399
it was a human right that needed to be

879
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,279
saved

880
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,440
surely natural justice is what keeps us

881
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,960
all at peace

882
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,799
that's the end of the quote justice

883
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:34,960
prevailed despite state and federal

884
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,039
government objections rejecting the

885
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,080
sovereign nature of phr insisting on tax

886
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:42,240
and gst payments in an ongoing legal

887
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,200
battle

888
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,440
the principalities capital of nain has

889
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,279
tourist facilities which is a caravan in

890
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,519
a camping ground a postal service a

891
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,519
giant bust of the prince a stone of

892
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,760
light monument the princess shirley's

893
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,080
sacred educational shrine unfortunately

894
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,399
shirley died in 2013

895
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,880
the gateway to nature's spirit world

896
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,480
where you can see and read about the

897
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,360
findings of hrh prince leonard and other

898
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,240
academics of the phr royal college of

899
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,800
advanced education into the discovery of

900
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:12,960
mathematical formulas which uncover

901
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,599
nature's basic construction code sc

902
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,119
10989

903
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,800
and many others

904
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,480
which was a mouthful

905
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,359
it even has the royal hut river navy

906
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,960
now those of you who know australia know

907
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:27,599
that 600 odd kilometers northeast of

908
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,040
perth is not exactly a marine

909
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,399
hub

910
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,440
but anyway

911
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,159
the royal navy which is non-combative

912
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,320
and is represented by quote members

913
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,240
located on several continents and

914
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,800
geographical areas including australia

915
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,800
europe north america and asia in other

916
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:48,000
words it's a virtual navy

917
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:51,839
january 2017 after ruling for 47 years

918
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,159
prince leonard abdicated in favor of his

919
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,560
youngest son prince graham

920
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,240
that same year the supreme court of

921
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,839
western australia obviously not

922
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,680
recognizing a real sovereign when it saw

923
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,480
one

924
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,119
ordered prince landed to pay 2.7 million

925
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,760
dollars in unpaid tax

926
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,760
leonard died last year which will be in

927
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,760
2019

928
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,839
the province has held a place of warmth

929
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,320
and amusement for many australian people

930
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,560
even if most don't know where it is

931
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,560
so it comes as a sad blow to hear that

932
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,119
it has recently closed or gone into

933
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,520
hiatus as the website says

934
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,760
prince graham reports that quote over

935
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,599
the past few years the economic standing

936
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,160
of the principality has been challenging

937
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,160
we have and are experiencing declining

938
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,119
revenue from our agricultural pursuits

939
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,040
our largest source of revenue

940
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,720
this finds us in difficult and

941
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,720
challenging circumstances

942
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,480
this along with a steady decline in the

943
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,560
number of tourists passing by and

944
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,720
dropping in for a chat over more recent

945
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,599
times

946
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,599
as well of course the increasing cost of

947
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,440
running even such a small country as the

948
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,640
phr

949
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,560
has led me to the difficult current

950
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,640
announcement that the principality of

951
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,440
hutt river is to go on hiatus closing

952
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,000
its borders and public offices

953
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:05,760
at the end of business on friday the

954
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,599
31st of january 2020

955
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,760
lonely planet's guide to micronation

956
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,880
says that

957
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,680
some

958
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,480
are theoretical experiments in statehood

959
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,480
examples of how nations

960
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,640
sure could be organized others are

961
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,560
played mostly for laughs

962
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,359
enormous time-consuming intricate jokes

963
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,440
usually made at the creator's own

964
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,880
expense

965
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,560
some of the more enduring nations are

966
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,119
formed out of anger or discontent

967
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,440
frustration or desperation

968
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,200
of these there might even be a few

969
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,880
sinister nations with unsound agendas

970
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,160
many of the current crop of

971
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,480
self-professed sovereign citizens

972
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,200
obviously have anger some are desperate

973
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,760
and some may even have sinister intent

974
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,760
they also have ignorance and a sense of

975
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,280
self-importance

976
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,720
phr

977
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,040
was not sinister though was born out of

978
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,720
anger and discontent

979
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,040
at 50 years old it was one of the oldest

980
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,040
micro nations in the world

981
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,640
certainly of those with actual land in

982
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,079
the navy

983
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,000
so its passing is surely one of the

984
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:10,800
saddest and least heralded closings of a

985
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:12,450
nation in global history

986
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:13,190
[Music]

987
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,630
now that's the article called little

988
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,079
people which appeared in the skeptic

989
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,280
magazine september 2020 and you can

990
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960
download that issue of the magazine for

991
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:28,960
free from our website which is

992
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,829
or maybe you should subscribe to the

993
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,280
magazine it helps us it'll certainly

994
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:39,359
help you get the latest information on

995
00:37:44,580 --> 00:37:53,190
[Music]

996
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,430
i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

997
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:56,720
the rabbit hole i have extended

998
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,079
conversations with people who've been

999
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,400
involved in conspiracy culture i do this

1000
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,079
for a couple of reasons firstly because

1001
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,359
it's really interesting these people

1002
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,040
have great stories about how they fell

1003
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,800
down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole

1004
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,560
what they did down there and what it was

1005
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,320
that helped them out sometimes i also

1006
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,440
talk to people who investigate

1007
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,800
conspiracy theories and they have

1008
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,320
equally fascinating stories from the

1009
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,560
other side secondly i want to understand

1010
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,920
how best to prevent the spread of

1011
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,599
conspiracy theories and misinformation

1012
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,359
which is an increasing problem in a time

1013
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,839
when alternative media is exploding the

1014
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,680
best way to do this is to communicate

1015
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,680
effectively with the people involved and

1016
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,680
the best way to do that is with a nice

1017
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,119
long chat

1018
00:38:36,090 --> 00:38:33,680
check it out tales from the rabbit hole

1019
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:36,100
tftrh.com

1020
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:55,190
[Music]

1021
00:38:59,710 --> 00:38:57,190
now it's time once again to dive into

1022
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,720
those pages at trove at

1023
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,760
trove.nla.gov today you the online

1024
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,200
resource from the australian government

1025
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,440
and the national library of australia

1026
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:07,680
full of digitized newspapers reports

1027
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,760
going back decades and centuries

1028
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,400
this week this week inspired

1029
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,880
by a suggestion by my friend lindley

1030
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,680
posty lindley in melbourne a listener to

1031
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,240
the show we're going to be looking at

1032
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:24,880
the min min lights

1033
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,200
min min lights these are mysterious

1034
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:31,520
floating lights that appear

1035
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:34,720
in a remote part of northern queensland

1036
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,400
and to quote from skeptoid

1037
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,880
by brian dunning who did an episode on

1038
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,800
the minmin lights called chasing them in

1039
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,839
midnight

1040
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,320
and this was episode skeptoid episode

1041
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,079
number 133

1042
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,960
from december 2008.

1043
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,119
it's a hot night out here in the

1044
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,800
australian outback

1045
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,880
we're about 40 miles east of the tiny

1046
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,280
village of boulia near the site of an

1047
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,599
old ghost town called minmin that

1048
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,240
doesn't even exist anymore

1049
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,000
they call this part of western

1050
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,480
queensland the channel country a flat

1051
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:10,640
expanse of flood plains and creeks and

1052
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,000
dry washes that almost never flow

1053
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,680
stand on a high point and you can see

1054
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,160
the horizon in every direction

1055
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,720
and if you're lucky on a night like this

1056
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:23,440
you might see the region's most infamous

1057
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,640
damason

1058
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,640
the min min light

1059
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,200
and the the episode goes on

1060
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,160
the conclusion brian has come to

1061
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:35,119
is that the min min light are a form of

1062
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,240
mirage

1063
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,480
in fact towards the end of the episode

1064
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,960
he says optical science has produced a

1065
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:42,880
far better candidate for our mysterious

1066
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,000
coastline one that is reproducible and

1067
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,920
fully accounts for the observations

1068
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,160
professor jack pettigrew

1069
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,880
writing in the journal clinical and

1070
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:55,599
experimental optometry described the

1071
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,119
minmin light and the fatter morgana the

1072
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:01,920
fatamogana mirage is a type of superior

1073
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,800
mirage in a superior mirage the object

1074
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,280
is seen above its actual position for

1075
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,599
example above the horizon when in effect

1076
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,960
it is far away and hidden below the

1077
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,000
horizon

1078
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,079
fatamorgana mirages are caused by the

1079
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,079
thermal inversion layers in the

1080
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,400
atmosphere they are fairly common in the

1081
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,160
arctic regions where temperature

1082
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,720
inversions are endemic

1083
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,440
he goes on to say that pettigrew found

1084
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,880
that australia's channel country

1085
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,720
naturally creates ideal conditions for

1086
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,800
superior mirages

1087
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:35,119
all of the hollows and ravines trap warm

1088
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,920
air

1089
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,319
and on a cool evening following a hot

1090
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,880
day the conditions are virtually certain

1091
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,440
to take place so there's the uh the

1092
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,000
conclusion that brian has come to in his

1093
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,880
skeptoid episode which seems reasonable

1094
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,839
enough

1095
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,200
but let's now

1096
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,680
go back into history and see what

1097
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,599
reports we can discover

1098
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:56,640
about

1099
00:42:04,230 --> 00:41:58,530
the min midnights

1100
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,240
[Music]

1101
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,680
and we have a result here from the

1102
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:07,440
northwestern courier

1103
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,280
dated the 14th of june 1943.

1104
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,960
the min min later

1105
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,480
in a recent

1106
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,720
austral oddities

1107
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:19,920
session over radio 2 fc

1108
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,800
bill beatty spoke of the min min light

1109
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,880
that strange mysterious light that may

1110
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:27,280
be seen at minmin on the road between

1111
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,440
bullier and winton western queensland

1112
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,920
bill beatty's mention of this phenomena

1113
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,720
reminded me of my meeting with it years

1114
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:39,040
ago a meeting which i shall long

1115
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:40,480
remember

1116
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,640
in 1929 i was coming in with 1500

1117
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,880
bullocks from burnet downs in the

1118
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,200
northern territory passing the small

1119
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:52,079
township of boulia we headed southwest

1120
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,079
for winton almost 200 miles distant

1121
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,560
traveling along at a rate of 10 miles a

1122
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,200
day we camped one night on min min

1123
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,599
station quite close to the main bully of

1124
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,079
winton road on level well grassed

1125
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,240
lightly timbered country the bullocks

1126
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:11,599
being put on camp about 200 yards from

1127
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,040
the road i was taking the midnight watch

1128
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,240
and at 11 30 pm the man on watch rode

1129
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,280
into camp and awakened me then got back

1130
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:23,599
on his horse and rode out again to the

1131
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,640
cattle

1132
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,280
sitting up on my boots and spurs the

1133
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,760
only articles which your dinkum cattle

1134
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,400
drover ever removes i stirred the fire

1135
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,880
put the coffee billy on the coals to

1136
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,680
warm up for the man i was relieving

1137
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,680
mounted the night horse tied at the camp

1138
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,640
and rode out to do my two hours watch

1139
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,800
joining the man who was riding around

1140
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:46,960
the cattle singing at the top of his

1141
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,160
voice i asked the usual question

1142
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,079
how are they camping george

1143
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,400
oh quite well he said

1144
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,960
no trouble at all we rode around the

1145
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,760
cattle together and then my mate said

1146
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,839
well i'll go in now and get some shut

1147
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,319
eye he was about to ride back to camp

1148
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,880
when we noticed a bright light shining

1149
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:09,040
along the road in the direction of

1150
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,160
bullier

1151
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,079
i'll stay here with you until that car

1152
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,400
gets passed said george

1153
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,640
just in case it frightens the bullocks

1154
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:19,359
we rode around together yawning why the

1155
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,560
light on the apparently approaching car

1156
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,040
shone brightly at a distance of about

1157
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,280
one and a half to two miles though it

1158
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,200
seemed to be coming closer

1159
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,440
suddenly without warning

1160
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,839
the light vanished and we concluded that

1161
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,000
the motorist had decided to camp for the

1162
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,800
rest of the night so george went in for

1163
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,480
his shut-eye

1164
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:42,640
left on my own i started my two hours

1165
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,920
watch with no thought for the motorist

1166
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:48,000
who had decided to camp on the edge of

1167
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,040
the road

1168
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,079
imagine my amazement when presently i

1169
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,640
aspired the self same bright light

1170
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,520
shining along the road in the direction

1171
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,880
of winton

1172
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,839
i was not scared but i was certainly

1173
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,280
very puzzled

1174
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,400
there it was

1175
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,040
in a totally opposite direction to that

1176
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,520
in which i had first seen it

1177
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,079
to my mind about one and a half miles

1178
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,319
away glowing brightly

1179
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,480
at about the height of a car's

1180
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,119
headlights almost as bright as a car

1181
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,480
light but with a slightly reddish glow i

1182
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,400
had plenty of time to observe this

1183
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,640
strange unaccountable light as it

1184
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,280
remained there for over an hour without

1185
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,440
a movement or even a flicker

1186
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,160
to say the least it was an eerie

1187
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,920
experience

1188
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,680
imagine if you can

1189
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,480
an open treeless plane with a wintry

1190
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,440
dune

1191
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,079
wind sweeping across it with no sound

1192
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,640
but of one's own voice warbling

1193
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:49,359
lullabies with a curlu and a curl who is

1194
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:52,920
a bird with a curlu accompaniment to

1195
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,560
1500 drowsy bullocks and the grunts

1196
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,960
coughs wheezers and other

1197
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,839
indefinable noises of a large mob of

1198
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,359
camping cattle

1199
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,720
with all the time your eyes turned to a

1200
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,119
mysterious light in the distance

1201
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,839
just before i went to wake my successor

1202
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,240
who was to take the next watch the light

1203
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,720
disappeared just as though someone had

1204
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,040
switched off an electric light at

1205
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,119
breakfast next morning i started to tell

1206
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,280
my story of the strange light and

1207
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,920
upspoke one of the drovers who had spent

1208
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,440
most of his life

1209
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,359
in those parts

1210
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,839
ah that was the min min light i forgot

1211
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,839
to tell you chaps last night that you

1212
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,599
might see it here

1213
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,160
then he told us about it how it had been

1214
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,640
seen in that particular locality for as

1215
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:43,440
long as white men could remember how men

1216
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,119
had tried to run it down on horseback

1217
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:49,680
and how suddenly it had gone out to

1218
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,440
reappear behind them as elusive as ever

1219
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,440
he told us that famous scientists had

1220
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,839
gone out to unravel the mystery and had

1221
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,280
returned knowing no more than when they

1222
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,560
went there

1223
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,119
that was in 1929

1224
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,680
and now by all accounts the min min

1225
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,560
light

1226
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,839
is still glowing eerie and elusive yet

1227
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,920
always in the same locality one of

1228
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:15,040
nature's

1229
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,400
unsolved

1230
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,400
mysteries

1231
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,800
what a wonderful report wonder wonderful

1232
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:21,839
report

1233
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,800
made in 1943 about

1234
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,520
an adventure in 1929

1235
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:29,920
and here we have another return from the

1236
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,119
sunday mail in brisbane dated the 9th of

1237
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:35,400
march 1941

1238
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,160
spiritualists theory on min min light

1239
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,400
beach coma's series of articles in the

1240
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,800
sunday mail magazine on ghosts of

1241
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,160
queensland

1242
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,680
has captured the interest of mr a.j ford

1243
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,280
of taringa brisbane spiritualist

1244
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,720
it is my contention rights mr ford that

1245
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,480
the min min light described in last

1246
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,880
week's issue of the sunday mail is

1247
00:48:05,549 --> 00:48:04,000
purely a spirit light brought by some

1248
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:05,559
earth bound

1249
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,800
disembodied spirit that is very anxious

1250
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,119
to give some valuable information about

1251
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,400
the spot where it manifests itself

1252
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:16,880
the vicinity of the notorious shanty

1253
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,480
town known as the minmin hotel where

1254
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,960
murders and other crimes are spoken of

1255
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,240
as having

1256
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,400
possibly taken place

1257
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,359
mr ford quotes a report that reverend

1258
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,319
bernard rhoden formerly of london a

1259
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,760
psychic demonstrator and trans lecturer

1260
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,480
is shortly to tour australia and states

1261
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,280
that he has written south putting the

1262
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,760
min min reports as quoted by

1263
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:45,200
beech coma

1264
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,160
forward

1265
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,280
as worthy of his investigation

1266
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,839
the sunday mail article stated that the

1267
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,119
light had

1268
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,960
been in evidence for more than 60 years

1269
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,400
and had never

1270
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520
been satisfactorily explained mr ford

1271
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,520
suggests that a psychic

1272
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:06,640
would be able to supply the name of one

1273
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,440
who is causing the light and interpret

1274
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,079
the message or information which the

1275
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,599
earthbound spirit wishes to convey

1276
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,520
and enable it to advance from its

1277
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:20,160
present environment the light

1278
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,000
would then cease to appear

1279
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,400
sort of reminds me of an old saying when

1280
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,240
you're hammer every problem is a nail

1281
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,520
when you're a spiritualist every

1282
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,079
phenomenon must be a spirit

1283
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,920
and finally we come to queensland

1284
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,680
country life

1285
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,599
and this was published on the 10th of

1286
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,960
december 1953

1287
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,520
mystery of the min min light

1288
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,760
by t.j pennington

1289
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,160
for more than half a century people of

1290
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,040
the bullier district have been intrigued

1291
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,760
and mystified by that strange phenomenon

1292
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:57,760
the mysterious min min light

1293
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,960
it has become the legend of stations

1294
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:02,000
from

1295
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:05,920
warrender to makunder downs and has sent

1296
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,280
cold shivers down many a man's spine

1297
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:12,160
besides stampeding traveling mobs of

1298
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,040
cattle

1299
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,440
it derives its name from the fact that

1300
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,079
it first made its appearance in the

1301
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,599
vicinity of the minmid pub

1302
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,319
like a huge ball of fire which lights up

1303
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,040
the planes for miles it races across the

1304
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,160
downs at speeds of 30 to 40 miles an

1305
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,800
hour despite all explanations as to its

1306
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,359
origin no satisfactory conclusions have

1307
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,240
been reached as to its appearance and

1308
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:39,599
disappearance

1309
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:43,280
some hold the opinion it is a kind of

1310
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,559
night bird or phosphorus that travels at

1311
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,000
certain periods as it is not seen for

1312
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,960
months then suddenly it appears

1313
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,119
in all its glory

1314
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,720
i have seen it on two occasions first at

1315
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,400
lucknow station

1316
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,680
at a set of yards five miles south of

1317
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:06,000
the station where i delivered a mob of

1318
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:06,800
sheep

1319
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,240
that day it is the power to change

1320
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:13,520
direction as on the second occasion i

1321
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:16,319
was watching a mob of cattle at makunda

1322
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:17,280
bore

1323
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,720
and about midnight it appeared racing

1324
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,440
straight for the bullocks

1325
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,000
i was expecting the worst as the cattle

1326
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:28,960
were on their feet and slowly ringing

1327
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,839
bellowing in their nervous state

1328
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,079
when suddenly it veered to the south the

1329
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,920
bullocks were restless for a couple of

1330
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,480
hours then settled down to a peaceful

1331
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,079
night's rest

1332
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,119
men have chased it on foot horseback and

1333
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,400
car

1334
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:46,480
one unfortunate chap crashed into a

1335
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:49,520
fence his horse falling and breaking its

1336
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,480
leg

1337
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,359
in his time he was reputed to have

1338
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,000
chased it quite a few times on horseback

1339
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,960
and though he would reassure timid

1340
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,280
people as to its harmlessness

1341
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,440
he regarded it with suspicion and

1342
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,400
caution as often when he thought he was

1343
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,079
closing on it

1344
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,960
it would suddenly appear behind him

1345
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,200
a well-known carrier of the horse team

1346
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,240
days camped a couple of miles from the

1347
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,680
middleton pub

1348
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:19,920
and leaving his son in charge of the

1349
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,800
wagons walked up to the pub on arriving

1350
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,680
back at midnight the boy was missing dad

1351
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,160
began to shout his name when a nervous

1352
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,599
voice from under a top hole and said

1353
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,760
here i am dad

1354
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:35,359
what's the matter son

1355
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,559
he asked

1356
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,200
i've seen the light dad it raced over

1357
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,760
the wagons blue is gone too broke his

1358
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,240
chain and went bush the min min light

1359
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:46,400
was an interesting mystery then

1360
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:48,830
and remains so to this day

1361
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,480
[Music]

1362
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,520
there we go some classic old stories

1363
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,800
from

1364
00:53:06,570 --> 00:53:02,880
the outback of australia

1365
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,580
concerning the mysterious min min light

1366
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,680
[Music]

1367
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:10,240
i imagine it would be a very

1368
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,280
interesting

1369
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,200
experience to see the lights

1370
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,800
although i think they're quite random in

1371
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,319
nature so

1372
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,880
maybe you're not assured of seeing them

1373
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,760
so you could go to the area and camp for

1374
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:24,160
a week and maybe not see them

1375
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,780
interesting

1376
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:26,160
[Music]

1377
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:27,280
so many

1378
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,680
tracks when you're looking at drove one

1379
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,760
thing can lead to another interesting

1380
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,839
stories from the past but you can

1381
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:37,599
discover that for yourself by visiting

1382
00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:45,109
you'll never know what min-min light you

1383
00:53:50,340 --> 00:54:04,470
[Music]

1384
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,510
the sky was velvet black with diamond

1385
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,440
stars in the night

1386
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,240
and the sparkled starlight fell like a

1387
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,240
gentle rain of light

1388
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,640
be sprinkling the earth in a shimmering

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silver cloak

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falling on the campsite and bedazzling

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the city folk

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dry deserty had died the campfire in

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glowing embers

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and the storyteller told a tale which

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only he remembers of the night he saw

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the minmin light deep within the dark

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on a distant desert claypan in an

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earthscape cold and stark

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smiling twinkle lights laughing in the

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cool crisp air and moving like men when

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he knew none were there just blinking in

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the distance moving closer as he stared

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but he didn't move a muscle and was

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quite unprepared the minmin took on

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human form and entered his domain he

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thought his mind was playing tricks deep

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inside his brain and he rubbed his eyes

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and tried in vain to clear his mind

1409
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but min min were around him

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and his fear was left behind

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they took him starlight strolling across

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their astral plane and showed him in

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secrets of secret min pain unknown

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trials of tribal nations for thousands

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of years

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and then the storyteller stopped and

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had to dry his tears memories of the

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light and the night he learned their

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tale came back to flood emotion as his

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notion would prevail when he told this

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lost tale from a long time in history

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and he filled all the city folk with

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question and mystery

1424
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then the merest mist appeared at the

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city campus site would this be a sacred

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visit from the gods min-min light and

1427
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the storyteller slowly stood

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and pointed for he knew

1429
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the minion men were coming as the light

1430
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came into view

1431
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like the softer stars on horseback

1432
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riding across the flat they were getting

1433
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ever closer to where the campers sat and

1434
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the city stickers paled blood drained

1435
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from their faces

1436
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as the minmin knights arrived and

1437
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absorbed all their traces

1438
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,599
all the city people vanished but not the

1439
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,760
minmin man he was left to tell the

1440
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midman tale the best way that he can by

1441
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taking city visitors to those outback

1442
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,960
points he knows

1443
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:29,359
to turn them into mid midnights

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[Applause]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic's

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own podcast on next week's show i might

1447
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
be able to bring you a short

1448
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,319
catch up with our dear friend dr angie

1449
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mattke

1450
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oh yes the emergency physician and

1451
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,040
skeptic and she's one of the organizers

1452
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:01,200
every year of course of the skeptrack at

1453
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,480
dragoncon doctor angie is in town i

1454
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,720
think she flew in just this morning and

1455
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i hope to catch up with her tonight

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00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,359
always a delight and a thrill

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00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:13,839
to meet up with dr angie also on next

1458
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,520
week's show the trove segment looks at

1459
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,319
the bermuda triangle

1460
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,200
is it so mysterious we'll find out next

1461
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,040
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1476
00:58:03,829 --> 00:57:58,559
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1477
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right now look at tim this is very

1494
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:00,480
exciting we have the first plane come

1495
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:01,280
over

1496
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,510
i've actually arranged them for about 15

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minutes from now

1498
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i booked them but i did book the uh the

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entire fleet of qantas to fly overhead

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okay at 30 second intervals

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like heavy aircraft and cockatoos and